>> THE RAINBOW PUSH COALITION ONCE AGAIN FINDS ITSELF SEARCHING FOR NEW LEADERSHIP.

THIS COMES AS REVEREND FREDERICK HAYNES.

THE 3RD ANNOUNCED THAT HE WOULD STEP DOWN AS THE ORGANIZATION'S PRESIDENT AND CEO AFTER JUST A FEW MONTHS ON THE JOB, IT'S RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE HISTORIC CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

HERE'S WHAT HAINES SAID ABOUT HIS DECISION TO STEP DOWN.

>> IT'S BEEN MY HONOR TO SERVE.

FOR THAT, I WILL ALSO BE GRATEFUL.

HOWEVER, TODAY I SUBMITTED MY RESIGNATION AS PRESIDENT AND CEO BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT NECESSARY IN LIGHT OF THE HUGE CHALLENGES FACED BY OUR COMMUNITY IN LIGHT OF THE CHALLENGES FACED BY THIS NATION AND WORLD DURING THIS CONSEQUENTIAL YEAR, I WILL CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE.

I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PROPHETIC WITNESS.

I WOULD JUST DO IT IN ANOTHER LANE WHILE CONTINUING TO HONOR THE WORK OF RAINBOW PUSH IN REVEREND JACKSON.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER.

>> AND OF COURSE, IT'S A VIDEO RIVER HAYNES POSTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ARE CK, HALF LURE BOARD CHAIR FOR RAINBOW PUSH AND HER MEAN HARTMAN, FOUNDER OF INDIGO MAGAZINE WHO ALSO WORKED CLOSELY WITH REVEREND JESSE JACKSON.

SENIOR.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

SEEK A HALF OR WANT TO START WITH YOU.

PLEASE WAS REVEREND HAYNE'S DECISION TO STEP DOWN?

WAS THAT A SURPRISE?

>> THINK IT WAS A ABSOLUTELY.

BUT JUST AS >> YOU KNOW, RAINBOW PUSH AS WE ALL KNOW IS AN ICONIC CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION FOUNDED BY ICONIC LEADER, REVEREND JACKSON HIMSELF HAS ALWAYS SAID.

THAT RAINBOW PUSH COALITION HAS NEVER BEEN A VESSEL AND IT'S A VESSEL FOR MOVEMENT.

SO THE FACT THAT, COURSE WE WERE WE WERE HOPEFUL REMAINS WAS REMAINED INITIALLY WHEN WE WERE WERE ABLE TO REACH AGREEMENT FOR HIM TO BE OUR BUT HAVING SAID AS HE HE'S GOING INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND RAINBOW IS CONTINUING THE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH AND WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY WE WILL SECURE ANOTHER LEADER.

PRESIDENT CEO RAIN BOWL AS A MOVEMENT, RAINBOWS MISSION.

REVEREND JACKSON'S VISION AND THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO IN OUR COMMUNITY IN A TIME SUCH AS IS NOT GOING TO STOP, WE'RE JUST WORKING TO GET ANOTHER LEADER.

AND OF COURSE, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE NEXT STEPS IN THAT PURSUIT OF ANOTHER COMING UP IN THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL.

>> C K CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE FACTORS THAT MIGHT HAVE CONTRIBUTED?

WE KNOW THAT HE WAS BASED IN DALLAS WHERE HE THE PASTOR OF A OF A MASSIVE CHURCH WHICH MIGHT HAVE MADE SOME CHALLENGES.

SO REVEREND JACKSON, HE'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.

>> A LOT OF QUESTION.

REVEREND JACKSON IS A TOUGH ACT TO FALL WITHOUT A QUESTION.

WHENEVER YOU HAVE A LEADER WHO HAS DONE SO MUCH CONTINUES TO DO SO MUCH AND HE STEPS DOWN FROM THE DAY TODAY.

THERE ARE ALWAYS CHALLENGES AND HAVING ANYONE STEP IN AND NO ONE CAN STEP IN SHOES BECAUSE ONLY ONE REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, JESSE LOUIS JACKSON WE KNOW THAT.

BUT WE STAND ON THE SHOULDERS.

AND SO WE UNDERSTOOD AND CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A TOUGH ACT TO PLUS, THERE'S A TEAM.

IT'S NOT JUST AS REVENUE SET HIMSELF.

NOT JUST ONE MAN.

IT IT'S A MOVEMENT?

>> THERE THAT TEAMWORK AND THAT STRUCTURE THAT'S CONTINUES SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER LEADER AND IS A LEADER OUT THERE AND WE DO HAVE A STRUCTURE IN PLACE AND HOPEFULLY PRETTY SOON VERY SOON WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE WHO THAT NEW LEADER IS.

BUT LET'S MAKE NO MISTAKE.

RAINBOW PUSH IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO.

THE VISION OF ITS FOUNDER, REVEREND JESSE LOUIS JACKSON THE TEAM THAT THESE A SIMPLE OVER THE YEARS.

IT IS RULE AND THAT'S GOING TO.

CONTINUE.

WHO ARE READING SOMETHING IN TO SHOULD NOT ANYTHING INTO IT OTHER, THEN THAT RAIN WILL CONTINUE ON ITS MISSION.

AND I THINK THAT IT IS YES, AND IT THIS INTERPRETATION OF REALITY REALITY OF WHERE RAINFALL TO SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

SO ORGANIZATIONS AS LEATHERS 4 TO 500 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THIS HAPPENS, YOU KEEP IT MOVING.

YOU KEEP THAT RAIN GOING.

CAUSE A TRAIN DOESN'T STOP SEASON AND WILL CERTAINLY IN DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK REVEREND JACKSON'S YOUNGEST SON YUSEF WHO IS IS KEEPING THE TRAINS RUNNING.

OF COURSE, I WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT IN JUST A BIT.

>> I DO WANT TO GET HER MAIN HARTMAN AND HEAR HER MEAN YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE WORKED WITH REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE EARLY DAYS WHEN IT WAS A OPERATION.

BREADBASKET PRE RAINBOW PUSH COALITION.

WHAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP IT DOESN'T MOVEMENT LIKE THIS NEED GOING FORWARD.

>> WELL, IT I THINK THERE'S SOME REVAMPING TO BE DONE.

THE WORLD HAS CK IS SAID, IT'S DEFINITELY A TEAM IS NOT A FOCUS.

A SINGLE PERSON.

AND A PERSON LIKE REVEREND JACKSON, LIKE DOCTOR KING, YOU FOLLOW THE PAST.

YOU DON'T REPLACE THE THE MAN IS IRREPLACEABLE.

THESE ARE MASTERMINDS.

THESE ARE SUPER GUYS AND THEY YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR PAST.

IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SINGULAR REPLACEMENT AT ALL.

>> THAT SAID, ARE YOU THINK THERE ARE ANY LESSONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN FROM THIS EXPERIENCE AS AS THE ORGANIZATION MOVES FORWARD?

>> YES, THE ONE MAIN LESSON IS DOCTOR HAINES HAS A CHURCH.

13,000 PEOPLE.

DOCTOR, HAYNES LIVES IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

AND I FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IT MIGHT NOT HAVE WORK.

HAYNES HAD TO FLY IN AND FLY OUT, FLY IN AND FLY OUT, FLY IN AND FLY OUT 13,000 MEMBER CHURCH IS A FULL-BODY CHURCH WITH DEMANDS TO IT.

FOR FUNERALS AND FOR WEDDINGS CHRISTENINGS IN FOR MARRIAGES AND SO FORTH.

AND I THINK IT'S IT'S A IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

REMEMBER.

>> REVEREND JACKSON DIDN'T HAVE A CHURCH.

WE HAD A MESSAGE FOR PULPIT, BUT HE DID NOT HAVE A CHURCH THAT HE WAS BOUNDED TO.

DOCTOR KING GAVE A HE HE WAS THE GUEST SPEAKER OFTEN AT HIS FATHER'S CHURCH BUT TO RUN A CHURCH AND RUN A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

AT THE SAME TIME, REVEREND SHARPTON DOESN'T HAVE A CHURCH.

SO TO HAVE A CHURCH IN THE RUN CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

THOSE ARE 2 THINGS THAT PROBABLY DON'T MISS.

>> WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT HOW TO CLONE JUST YET.

I THINK SOME OF US MIGHT MIGHT ENJOY THAT CK AS WE REVEREND JACKSON'S YOUNGEST SON YUSEF, STILL CERTAIN SERVING AS THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER KEEPING THE TRAINS RUNNING.

BUT WHAT ARE THE PLANS THAT THE BOARD FOR SEARCHING FOR THE NEXT LEADER OF ORGANIZATION?

>> WELL, LITERALLY, WE'VE BEEN ON THAT SEARCH FROM THE TIME THAT WE KNEW DOCTOR HANS WAS STOPPED AND WAS STEPPING DOWN BECAUSE WE SUCH AS THIS, WE GOT OUR CONVENTION COMING UP.

WE'VE GOT THE DNC CONVENTION COMING UP.

COMPTROLLER.

GUL DAY AND OUR MISSION IS SO VAST.

WE'VE BEEN SEARCHING EVER SINCE WEEK.

WE UNDERSTOOD WE CONVENED.

WE HAVE 4 ORGANIZATIONS BOARDS ARE WORKING POPS WE ALWAYS DO.

AND WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN A CLASS S AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROCESS.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, I MENTIONED USE, COURSE, THE WHEELS ARE CONTINUING TO TURN OF THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING.

STOP THE MISSION.

I'M JUST WAITING ON A LEADER.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE WORK CONTINUED THE MISSION, SEEK A VISIT A LOT OF A LOT OF WORK COMING UP.

WE'VE GOT 20 SECONDS LEFT.

HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IT IS THAT THIS PERSON IS BASED IN CHICAGO?

>> OUT OF THE PERSON HAS TO BE BASED IN CHICAGO.

I THINK THE PERSON HAVE TO BE THERE TO SPEND TIME AND BE AVAILABLE TO SPEND TIME IN CHICAGO.

I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BASED IN CHICAGO PERCENT BECAUSE THE MISSION IS A GLOBAL IT'S A NATIONAL MS.

OKAY.

AND THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS.

BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO TO HEARING FROM FROM BOTH OF YOU MORE AS THE SEARCH CONTINUES.

AND AS YOU IDENTIFY WHO NEXT