>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON A LOOK AT MARICOPA 2025 POINT IN TIME HOME WILL COUNT.

NEW ART INSTALLATIONS COMBINE CREATIONS WITH SHADE AND COOLER TEMPERATURES.

BEACH BOY'S LEADER BRIAN WILSON DIED.

WE'LL DISCUSS HIS IMPACT ON MUSIC AND POP CULTURE.

WE WILL DISCUSS THAT NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON I'M TED SIMONS THE LATEST INFLATION NUMBERS SHOES INDEX UP 2.4% LAST MONTH THIS IS A 10TH NEXT FROM APRIL AND BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PREDICTED.

CORN INFLATION FOOD AND ENERGY PROCESSES AT 2.8 BELOW ECONOMISTS EXPECTATIONS.

THE LATEST INFLATION NUMBERS DON'T REFLECT CONSISTENT IMPACTS FROM TARIFFS.

DO YOU TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CHANGES ON TARIFFS AND TRADE POLICY AND THE U.S. TREASURE SECRETARY SAID TODAY THE PRESIDENT'S TARIFF THREATENING COULD CHANGE AGAIN >> IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THE COUNTRIES NEGOTIATING OR TRADING BLOCKS IN CASE OF EU NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH WE ROLL THE DATE TO CONTINUE GOOD FAITH.

NEGOTIATIONS IF MACHINE IS NOT WE WILL NOT.

>> THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT REPORTED TARIFF REVENUES PAID BY COMPANIES TO BRING GOODS IN THE COUNTRY 22 BILLION DOLLARS LAST MONTH A RECORD HIGH.

INFLATION NUMBERS INDICATE THAT COMPANIES HAVE NOT FOR THE MOST PART, PAST THE TARIFFS TO CONSUMERS SOME IS EXPECTED WITH COMPANIES SAYING NARROW PROFIT MARGINS.

HEAD EPA POLLUTION LIMIT FOR POWER PLEASANTS MAY BE DROPPED ONE OF TWO TRUMP PLANS TO SCRAP REGULATIONS THE FIRST CARBON EMISSIONS FROM POWER PLANTS THE SECOND AIR TOXINS MERCURY THAT COME FROM BURNING COAL THEY WILL GO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE FINALIZATION PROCESS YOCH BRIAN WILSON LEADER OF BEACH BOYS DIED HE WAS 82.

NO WORD ON THE CAUSE OF DEATH.

HE IT DEMENTIA IT IS DIFFICULT TO OVER STATE HIS MUSIC ON POP CULTURE THE BEACH BOYS TOP THE STARTS WITH SONG IMAGE OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA A BEACH AND SURFING ANYWHERE VANASM HIS SONG CRAFT WAS FLUENTIAL IN THE MID 60s GOOD VIBRATIONS.

SUFFER FRIDAY A NUMBER OF MENTAL AND PERSON PROBLEMS WE WILL HAVE MORE ON BRIAN WILSON'S LEGACY LATER IN THE SHOW.

>> NUMBERS IN FOR MARICOPA POINT IN TIME HOMELESS COUNT THEY SHOW AN INCREASE IN THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THE PHOENIX AREA.

BRIAN IS REGIONAL HOMELESS MANAGER.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US >> BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP WHAT IS THE POINT IN TIME.

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WHAT IS THIS ABOUT >> POINT IN TIME REFERS TO THE FACT THIS IS A ONE TIME LOOK OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.

YOU GO TO POINT IN TIME AND DO A CENSUS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SHELTER AND SLEEPING OUTSIDE OR IN PARKS AND CARS.

ANYWHERE YOU WOULD NOT CONSIDER DECENT FOR HABITATION >> PEOPLE THINK OF HOMELESS COUNT BUT HOMELESS CAN BE DESCRIBE IN THE DIFFERENT WAYS IT IS A HUD REQUIREMENT FOR COMMUNITIES WITH HUD FUNDING.

HUD HAS A DEFINITION THAT IS WHAT WE GO BY >> HUD HAS A DEFINITION WHEN THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE IT WAS DONE IN JANUARY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

EVERYBODY WHO DOES THE COUNT THE FUNDING FROM HUD DO IT IN THE LEFT 10 DAYS OF JANUARY >> AND AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE WE GOT ON AIR.

IN THE EAST COAST THIS IS A BETTER CHANCE OF FINDING FOLKS, HERE, HOLY SMOKES, I THINK YOU FIND MORE IN SHELLERS IN THE SUMMER?

>> I THINK THIS IS TRUE.

THE WEST COAST IN GENERAL YOU HAVE MORE LIVING UNSHELTERED THEY FOCUS THE UNSHELTERED PEOPLE OUTSIDE.

>> PROCESS, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE YOU DON'T COUNT THE SAME PERSON TWICE BECAUSE THEY MOVE AROUND?

>> GREAT QUESTION, HERE WE HAVE A BIG COUNT AND HE LOTS OF JURISDICTIONS.

CITIES, TOWNS UNINCORPORATED AREAS.

WE BREAK THEM UP AND THEY DO THEIR VERSION OF COUNT.

THEY BRING IN VOLUNTEERS, HAVE CORD NARRATORS, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO COORDINATED.

THEY USE A MOBILE APP AND THAT MOBILE 'IS ON YOUR PHONE AND GO OUT AND COUNT SOMEONE, INTERVIEW THEM.

RECORD IT AND A CALL COME BACK TO A HUB WHERE WE PROCESS THE DATA.

TO DEDUPLICATE ANYONE COUNTED TWICE WE SAY, ONLY COUNT IN THESE AREAS EVERYONE IS SIGNED A SPECIFIC AREA.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE CROSS AREAS.

WE LOOK AT IDENTIFYING DATA.

WE TRY TO GET FOLK WHO IS GO COUNSELLING THIS PERSON HAD A RED BASEBALL CAP.

PUSHING A CART AT A BUS STOP.

THAT HELPS YOU TO SAY THAT IS PROBABLY THIS PERSON AND SHOULD COUNT THEM ONCE.

>> INTERESTING PROCESS.

RESULTS 3% INCREASE FROM LAST TIME >> THAT'S CORRECT.

2024 >> WHY?

>> STEADY INCREASES FROM 2019 UP YOU SEE THE TREND LINE GOES UP.

LOOK AT 23-25 IT IS ONE PERCENT INCREASE.

2024 WAS A WEIRD, GOOD YEAR.

A HIGH WATER MARK FOR US FOR SHELTER.

WE HAD A LOT OF SHELTER AVAILABLE THANKS TO THE WORK OF THE COMMUNITIES.

THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE REGION PUT UP LOTS OF SHELTERS.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAW THIS LEFT YEAR IS THE OVER ALL NUMBER WENT UP.

BUT I SAY THE UNSHELTERED UP IN WENT UP 21%.

>> WHY?

>> THE MAIN THING WE BENCHED IS WE HAD LESS SHELTER.

A LOT OF THE SHELTER BEDS PUT UP RESULT IN THE 24 LOW.

THE BEDS WERE RESULT OF FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

TEMPORARY MONEY CAME OUT AFTER THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUND NOTHING PART.

AND PEOPLE USED THAT MONEY TO GREAT ADVANTAGE BUILDING SHELTER BEDS >> IS THAT THE SAME RENTAL ASSISTANT FUNDING THAT WAS CUT.

WAS THAT A FACTOR HERE AS WELL >> SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAT IS IMPORTANT AFTER SHELTER.

YOU GET PEOPLE IN THAT WILL REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED COUNTS, YOUR VISIBILITY OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET UMP NEED THAT MONEY AND THOSE AVAILABLE BEDS.

ONCE PEOPLE NEAR BEDS YOU USE THE SUBSIDIES AND VOUCHERS TO GET PEOPLE IN HOMES >> SOCIAL SERVICE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK MAKES A DIFFERENCE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS YOU CAN LOOK AT 2024 SAY THAT WAS A BOLD YEAR.

SAW A HUGE IMPACT FROM SHELTER PRODUCTION.

CREATED SHELTER BEDS.

THE LAST YEAR OUR UNSHELTERED NUMBER WENT UP 28% BECAUSE OF A REDUCTION OF THOUSAND PLUS BEDS THE FEDERAL FUNDING EXPIRED.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO MANY THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT HERE.

GOT THE NUMBERS, GOT THE FACTS AND FIGURES, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE DONE WITH THESE THINGS.

HOW DO YOU WANT MUNICIPALITIES, LEADERSHIP, OFFICIALS HOW DO YOU WANT THEM TO TAKE THE FACTS AND FIGURES?

>> I MENTIONED.

BOLD ACTION IT PRODUCES RESULTS.

WE KNOW HOW TO REDUCE VISIBILITY OF HOMELESSNESS.

AND IMPORTANT LOW KNOW HOW TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS SO THEY DON'T DEAL WITH HEAT AND NOT DEALING WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN LIVING ON THE STREET.

THAT CREATES YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM IS MORE HOUSING.

MORE SHELTER AND THE WAY YOU GET THAT IS WORK HARD AND HAVE GOOD COMMUNITIES DOING BIG THING AND RESOURCES AVAILABLE WITH WHICH TO DO THE THINGS >> MY LAST QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHAT DO YOU WANT FOLKS TO TAKE FROM THE LATEST POINT IN TIME?

>> I THINK WHAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO IS SUPPORT -- FUNDING SYSTEMS THAT DO THE WORK WELL.

AND ANSWERS WE KNOW WORK.

SHELTER WORKS.

HOUSING WORKS.

WE NEED MORE OF ALL OF THOSE WHEN WE HAVE MORE YOU SEE WHAT WE GOT LAST YEAR, A GENERAL REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS AND UNSHELTERED >> >> BRIAN HOMELESS MANAGER MARICOPA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS GOOD INFORMATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US >> MY PLEASURE.

>> I'M CHEF MARK WELCOME TO ARIZONA RESIDENTS RECOMMEND FAVORITE RESTAURANTS.

>> A NUMBER OF NEW ART INSTALLATION IN PHOENIX PARKS OFFER COLORFUL EXPRESSIONS OF ART AND PROVIDING NEEDED SHADE AND COOL ARE TEMPERATURES TO LEARN MORE WE WELCOME KERRY BROWN ART AND CULTURE AND DAVEIT PHOENIX OFFICE OF HEAT RESPONSE AND MITIGATION.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

KERRY WE WILL START WITH YOU THIS IS TITLED, SYMPTOMS EXPERIMENTS IN SHADE.

GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION.

TALKING ABOUT EXPERIMENT IN SHADE COMING OUT OF THE PUBLIC ART CHALLENGE FROM PHILANTHROPIES TO EXPERIMENT AND TRY NEW THING IN TRYING TO SOLVE A CIVIC ISSUE.

SOLUTIONS FOR SHADE AND THAT'S WHEN WE SHOW CASE THIS SUMMER >> HOW MANY IN THE CITY?

>> TOLL OF NINE.

UNVEILED SIX.

WE GOT THREE MORE TO GO.

>> HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT A NUMBER.

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FUNDING.

LOCAL STUDENTS AND THE MAKING OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.

YOU WILL SEE THEIR HANDY WORK ON THE PIECE.

HAS A SOLAR POWERED MISTING SYSTEM THE COOLEST FROM THE MISTING AND THE EXTRA BIT OF COOL >> AND CORRECT ME THE MISTING SYSTEM SOLAR POWER EXCLUDE LIKE MOTION GENERATED NOT JUST MISTING THE GRASS.

>> WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF WATER AND PROVIDING SHADE AND COOL TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE THERE.

GREAT TECHNOLOGY AND IMPACT ON THE BODY PROVIDING SHADE AND THE BENEFIT OF THE COOLING >> AS FAR AS THE COOLING IS CONCERNED, I THINK WE HAVE TEMPERATURE READINGS WE HAVE THAT HERE CAN WE SEE WHAT GOES ON ON THIS ONE?

>> THAT LOOKS LIKE A DIFFERENCE THERE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT >> IT HAS BEEN A FUN PART OF ENGAGE AM WITH OUR CULTURE.

LOOKING AT INFRARED IMAGE OF THE TEMPERATURES ON DIFFERENT SURFACES.

IF YOU PUT YOUR HUNDRED ON THE SURFACE THIS IS WOULD BE A MORNING IMAGE.

THEY ARE NOT AS HOT AS IN THE AFTERNOON.

A 20 FAHRENHEIT DIFFERENCE UNDER THE STRUCTURE AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IN A HOTTER TIME OF THE DAY THAT IS A DIFFERENCE OF BURN AND NO BURN.

HAPPY VERSUS SAD CHILDREN.

COMFORTABLE VERSUS UNCOMFORTABLE AM HUGE DIFFERENCE THE SHADE MAKES.

>> THAT IS FANTASTIC >> WE GOT BURROW AT ROSE WOOD PARK THIS IS BY -- A TORTOISE?

>> IT IS INSPIRED BY OUR DESERT TORTOISE WELL ADAPTED THE DESERT.

THEY BURROW IN THE GROUND FOR COOLING.

WHEN THAN I LEAVE THERE ARE SHADE LEADERSHIPS FOR OTHER CREATURES TO USE.

>> THAT IS HEAT RESISTANT PAINT.

>> IT IS.

IT HELPS TO REDUCE THE HEAT COMING OFF THE STRUCTURE IT IS COOLER TO THE TOUCH AND REDUCES THE HEAT UNDER IT AS WELL.

>> WE HAVE TEMPERATURE READINGS ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

THIS WAS BURROW AT ROSELY PARK.

GET THE READING.

HOLY SMOKES.

>> ANOTHER BIG CONTRAST HERE I'M GLAD WE TALK THE MATERIALS.

THERE IS INNOVATION HAPPENING.

NOW ACROSS THE WORLD WHAT SURFACE COATING WE CAN A"POWER FOR LIFE."

WE DON'T WE DON'T SEE TEST NOTHING "THE REAL WORLD" THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT HIS IS A GREAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY AND MAY BE SOME OF THE MATERIAL AND DESIGN IDEAS CAN BE MAINSTREAM.

>> 108 OUTSIDE AND 77 UNDER THIS?

SHADE IS HUGE.

>> ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD >> ONE MORE A CANOPY AT CORTEZ PARK.

LOOKS LIKE TENNIS RACKETS.

>> SO THIS ARTIST WOEFUL THIS PROJECT WITH THE COMMUNITIES HELP.

USING I THINK OVER 10,000 LINEAR FEET OF NYLON CORD.

THIS IS A WAY TO SHOW THE SIMPLE APPLICATION CAN CREATE THESE SHADE PATTERNS AND PROVIDE THE COOLING ON THE BRIDGE.

WE DON'T HAVE TEMPERATURE READINGS BUT THE BIRD LOOKED HAPPY.

OBVIOUSLY, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN LOOKS COOL AND SEEING THEM PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S GOT LOOK GOOD.

HAS TO BE INSPIRING AND PUBLIC ART THAT THE PUBLIC ENJOYS >> THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR SHADE IN THE COMMUNITY WE HEAR RAUL THE TIME A DESIRE FOR MORE SHADE ON THE WALKS AND IN OUR PARKS.

AND WE THINK WE CAN DELIVER THAT IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE LOCAL ARTISTS AND TALENT IT WILL CREATE AN ENRICHING EXPERIENCE >> HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN UP?

>> SOME ARE YET TO COME WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD THE SUMMER WITH A CELEBRATION IN STORE FOR THE END.

>> REACTION YOU HAD TO ALL THIS?

>> SO FAR POSITIVE.

PEOPLE USING STRUCTURES AND PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND DOING A SURVEY PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION.

WE ARE GETTING REAL TIME FEEDBACK WE ARE HEARING LOTS OF POSITIVE THING.

CUSTOMER COMPETENCE DAVID, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE.

IT SEEMS EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S GOOD TO SEE.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AS WE MENTION THE BRIAN WILSON DIED.

COFOUNDED THE BEACH BOY AND WROTE MOST OF THE MUSIC.

THAT MUSIC RANGE FRIDAY FEEL GOOD AND FUN IN THE SUN.

TO COMPOSITIONS THAT INFLUENCED A HOST OF MUSICIANS INCLUDING BEETLES.

THE POP MUSIC REPORTER AT ARIZONA REPUBLIC.

AND JOINING US NOW ED, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND ENJOY.

I KNOW YOU SAW A FEW BRIAN WILSON CONCERTS LATER IN LIFE.

BEFORE WE GET TO THIS YOUR THOUGHTS ON TODAY.

THE NEWS IS >> HEART BREAKING.

HE LIVED SUCH HE GAVE SO MUCH TO US HIS LIFE WAS TROUBLED THERE WAS SADNESS IN HIS LIFE.

IT IS SAD THAT TO SEE HIM GO >> HIS IMPACT ON POPULAR MUSIC IN GENERAL.

I HAD I CONVERSATION IT IS HARD TO OVER STATE THAT?

>> IT IS.

HE WAS HUGELY FLUENTIAL, PUSHED BOUND EASIER OF POP MUSIC AND DROVE A LOT OF OTHERS IT PUSH BOUND EASIER THE BEETLE.

THERE WAS AN ARRIVAL GOING ON.

PUSHING EACH OTHER NEXT STEP AND HIS MUSIC IN THE MID 60s WAS A INDICATED AT BEETLES.

>> YEA, HOW DID THIS SONG CRAFT EVOLVE FROM CHUCK BARRY EARLY ON.

IN THE EARLY 60s.

WHERE DID HE GET THAT AND HOW DID IT BECOME THE SOUNDS?

>> HE WAS REALLY INTO OTHER CLASSICAL MUSIC AND INTO A LOT OF TYPES OF MUSIC.

YOU KNOW, HE QUICKLY GOT TO THE POINT HE WANTED TO ABANDON THAT FORMULA.

HITS WITH THE CAR AND GIRL AND SURFING SONGS AND DO SOMETHING MORE SOPHISTICATED.

THAT GOT HIM TO STRETCH OUT I BIT.

I GOTTA MOVE OF YOU KNOW.

>> BETWEEN THAT AND THE DRUGS.

TALK ABOUT THAT, I MEAN WAS THAT THE OBVIOUSLY THE MENTAL PROBLEM AND PERSONAL PROBLEMS HIT IN THE MID 60s AND TOOK A LIFE OF THEIR OWN.

WERE DRUGS FRONT AND CENTER.

>> DRUGS WERE PER TELEVISION, ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP IN HIS LIFE.

FATHER WHO MANAGED THE GROUP WAS VERY ABUSIVE.

HE SUFFERED WITH DEPRESSION.

HAD A NERVOUS BREAK DOWN ON A FLIGHT TO A BEACH BOY'S TOUR IN THE MID AND THEN RETIRED FROM THE ROD TO FOCUS ON THE MUSIC AND GOT MORE IN DRUGS AND BECAME ANOTHER PROBLEM >> TALK ABOUT THE FURTHER INFLUENCE.

IT WAS SCARY, PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE.

PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE.

AND DROVE THE GROUP'S EARLY SUCCESS.

HE KEPT THEM IN LINE BUT THEY FIRED HIM QUICKLY.

HE WAS THEIR MANAGER AND FIRED AFTER THAT FIRST WAVE OF SUCCESS.

THEY GOT THE SUCCESS AND BRIAN STARTS EXPERIMENTING.

HOW DID THE, MEMBER OF THE BEACH BOYS TAKE WHERE HE WAS GOING?

>> THEY DID NOT ALWAYS LIKE IT.

MIKE LOVE IS NOW DISPUTING HE EVER SAID HAD BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT.

HARD TO SAY WHO'S ACOUNT IS REAL OR ISN'T.

I FEEL BRIAN'S IS MORE ACCURATE.

YEA, THEY WANTED THE HITS TO KEEP COMING.

THEY WANTED MORE SONGS LIKE CALIFORNIA GIRL AND SURFING USA.

THEY WANTED BE AMERICA'S BAND WANTED TO BE THE BIG ROCK BAND HOLDING BACK THE BRITISH INVASION AND BRIAN WANTING TO DO BETTER MUSIC WAS THREATENING THE CHART SUPERIORITY.

>> AND MENTION TODAY A COUPLE TIMES PET SOUNDS I CONIC ALBUM IN ROCK HISTORY.

>> IT IS.

>> WHY IS IT SO REVERED AND NOT A HIT WHEN RELEASED?

>> I THINK IT WAS NOT A HIT IN PART BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.

IT WAS NOT YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR FORM WELL SO MUCH.

AND I THINK IT IS REVERED BECAUSE IT IS SOPHISTICATE TODAY IRRELEVANT TOOK ROCK AND ROLL IN A DIRECTION IT HAD NOT GONE BEFORE.

AND I THINK IT DID SO WITH A LOT OF EMOTIONAL RESONANCE, YOU KNOW BRIAN'S WOUNDED PSYCHE REALLY COME THROUGH IN THE MUSIC.

HE DID NOT ALWAYS WRITE THE LYRICS.

YOU COULD FEEL THE SADNESS IN THE MUSIC THAT VULNERABILITY.

THAT CARRIED ON AFTER PET SOUNDS IT SEEMS IT IS THE RIDGE BEFORE AND AFTER IN RESPECTS.

I KNOW SMILE WAS A PROJECT BUT HAD A VULNERABILITY AND BETWEEN FATHERS AND PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH STRONG PERSONALITIES BUFFERED HIM.

EUGENE LANDY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HIS ABILITY TO BE CONTROLLED >> YES >> TENDENCY TO BE CONTROLLED.

IT WAS A WEIRD RELATIONSHIP THEY HAD.

LANDY GOT HIM TO DO HIS FIRST SOLO RECORD WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD ALBUM.

IT NEVER WOULD HAVE EXISTED WITHOUT LANDY BUT LANDY WAS NOT GOOD FOR HIM.

DID THE VULNERABILITY SHINE AND SHOW IN THE CONCERTS.

I NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE HIM LIVE I WAS NOT SURE I GOT IS THAT ALBUM.

I WAS NOT SURE ABOUT THE CONCERT.

YOU HAD SEEN A LOT OF THE CONCERTS.

>> I SEEN A LOT.

YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO SEE HIM ON HIS TERMS.

YOU KNOW.

THAT VULNERABILITY IS RIGHT IN YOUR FACE IN CONCERT.

HE IS OBVIOUSLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

HE STAIRS OFF IN SPACE.

HE IS NOT ALWAYS ENGAGED IN WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND HIM.

BUT IT KIND OF ADDS TO THE VULNERABILITY AND EMOTIONAL CONNECTION.

AND THE FEELING THAT THERE IS A HUMAN MAKING THIS AMAZING MUSIC.

I THINK IT ADDED TO THE EXPERIENCE OF SEEING THE CONCERTS IN A LOT OF WAYS.

>> YOU WROTE HOW SOMETIMES HE WAS NOT FINISHING SONGS AND DID NOT GO IN ON THE RIGHT PARTS AND THINGS THAT HAS TO BE DIFFICULT TO SEE?

>> IT CAN BE, YES.

IT CAN BE.

YOU KNOW -- YEA.

IT WAS -- A GIVE AND TAKE THERE.

RIGHT?

>> RIGHT >> I MEAN I NEVER MISSED A CONCERT IF I SAW BRIAN WILON I WOULD >> AS FAR AS HIS LEGACY, MUSIC AND POP CULTURE WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> I SEE IT LASTING A LONG TIME.

ROLLING STONE PUBLISHED GREATEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME AND PET SOUNDS STAYED AT NUMBER TWO.

ALL THE BOOM ARE MUSIC FELL.

BEETLES ARE LIKE, WHERE ARE THE BEETLES, PEOPLE USED TO TALK ABOUT THEM.

THEY REALLY USHERED IN DID THE BEST TO RIGHT THE WRONGS OF PAST BOOMER CENTRIC JOURNALISM AND PUT THE YOUNG ACTS HIGH.

THERE WAS PET SOUNDS NUMBER TWO.

20 YEARS FROM NOW TELL BE IN TOP 5 IT WILL JUST STAY THERE.

>> YEA.

IT IS REMARKABLE.

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP AND SHARING MEMORIES OF BRIAN WILSON.

>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW I'M TED SIMONS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.