>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: THE LATEST ON THE POTENTIAL OF A STATE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AS THE LEGISLATURE WRANGLES OVER A BUDGET... ALSO TONIGHT: WE'LL GET A BINGE- WORTHY WATCH LIST OF SUMMER MOVIES AND TV SHOWS... AND, SQUID SOUP RETURNS TO THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE, NEXT, ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE GOVERNOR TODAY QUICKLY VETOED TWO HOUSE BUDGET PROPOSALS THAT THE SENATE RELUCTANTLY WENT ALONG WITH.

THE VETOES FOLLOWED THE GOVERNOR WORKING WITH THE SENATE ON A SPENDING PLAN THAT THE SENATE APPROVED, BUT THE HOUSE WANTED NO PART OF.

THE HOUSE COULD STILL TAKE UP THE SENATE BUDGET, OR, EITHER CHAMBER COULD COME UP WITH A COMPLETELY NEW BUDGET.

REGARDLESS, A BUDGET IS NEEDED BY JUNE 30TH TO AVERT A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE ON THIS LAST-MINUTE BUDGET CHAOS, IN JUST A MOMENT.

OTHER HEADLINES: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TODAY PUSHED BACK AGAINST PRELIMINARY U.S. INTELLIGENCE REPORTS THAT U.S.

ATTACKS AGAINST IRAN'S NUCLEAR FACILITIES DELAYED IRAN'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITIES BY ONLY A FEW MONTHS.

THE PRESIDENT TODAY DISMISSED THOSE EARLY REPORTS AS BEING TOO EARLY.

>> THEY PRESENTED A REPORT THAT WASN'T FINISHED.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT TOOK PLACE THREE DAYS AGO.

THE REPORT WAS DONE TWO DAYS AGO.

WAIT A MINUTE, THEY DIDN'T SEE IT.

ALL THEY CAN DO IS TAKE A GUESS.

THE REPORT WAS NOT A COMPLETE REPORT.

THE MESSAGE WAS PROBABLY WAIT TILL YOU KNOW THE ANSWER BEFORE YOU KNOW.

THE PRESIDENT ALSO INSISTED, AGAIN THAT IRAN'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM WAS, QUOTE, "OBLITERATED."

SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO WAS MORE SPECIFIC, SAYING THAT THE U.S. SET BACK IRAN'S PROGRAM FOR YEARS, NOT MONTHS, DUE TO THE DESTRUCTION OF SPECIFIC FACILITIES.

ARIZONA SENATOR MARK KELLY WENT ON CNN TO TALK ABOUT EVOLVING DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS.

>> IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ANY TARGET.

WHEN THE TARGETS ARE BURIED DEEP UNDERGROUND, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

AND THEN THE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE DAMAGE IS, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.

THERE'S A DIA REPORT, IT'S AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT.

I WILL SAY THIS ABOUT IT, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THE TARGET WAS OBLITERATED LIKE THE PRESIDENT OR HEGSETH SAID, AND WE'LL SEE AS THESE REPORTS WILL BE UPDATED OVER TIME.

WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS ANALYZE THIS AND THEN KIND OF FIT THIS INTO A BIGGER PLAN OF WHAT DO WE DO NEXT.

KELLY ALSO SAID THAT IT WAS A, QUOTE "BIG MISTAKE," FOR THE PRESIDENT TO NOT GO TO CONGRESS TO GET AUTHORIZATION FOR THE ATTACKS.

AS WE MENTIONED, GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS TODAY VETOED TWO BUDGET BILLS PUSHED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THE GOVERNOR CALLED THE BILLS, QUOTE "UNSERIOUS," AND CRITICIZED ACTIONS BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS AS, QUOTE "POLITICAL STUNTS."

MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZCENTRAL.COM HAS BEEN ON THIS STORY, SHE JOINS US NOW...

THANKS FOR TAKING TIME OUT.

YOU'RE GONNA HEAD BACK DOWN THERE AS THINGS HEAT UP.

>> WOULDN'T MISS IT FOR THE WORLD.

>> I BET YOU WOULDN'T.

TALK TO US NOW, JUST VETOING TWO BUDGETS.

HOW UNUSUAL IS THAT?

>> VERY UNUSUAL WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT BASICALLY IN A MATTER OF MINUTES BETWEEN THEM.

IT TOOK HER 15 MINUTES TO VETO TWO BUDGETS THAT WERE SENT TO HER BY THE HOUSE.

EACH OF THESE BUDGETS WAS DONE ONLY -- APPROVED WILL ONLY REPUBLICAN VOTES IN THE HOUSE.

ONE SPENDS $17.3 BILLION FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

THE SECOND ONE WAS A SO CALLED SKINNY BUG AT $17 BILLION THAT BASICALLY WOULD CONTINUE TO PAY GOVERNMENT SERVICES WITH THE HOPE THAT THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SHUTDOWN AND THEY COULD KEEP WORKING INTO JULY AND AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN.

>> SO THEY AS THOSE TWO.

THEY HAD THE SENATE BUDGET BILL, CORRECT?

>> YES.

THE.

>> THEY KNEW THAT THE SENATE HAD WORKED WITH THE GOVERNOR IN CRAFTING THESE BILLS.

WAS THAT THE REASON?

DID THEY EVEN CONSIDER THAT?

>> THEY HAVEN'T YET.

BUT THE INDICATIONS ARE THAT WITH -- THERE'S ONLY ONE BUDGET PLAN LEFT STANDING RIGHT NOW.

SO SHE STANDS ALONE, I GUESS.

AND WITH THE TWO HOUSE REPUBLICAN-ONLY BUDGETS NOW, DUST.

WE ARE TOLD THAT THE HOUSE WILL BRING UP THE SENATE PLAN, WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED BETWEEN HOBBS, THE SENATE REPUBLICANS AND ALL OF THE LEGISLATIVE DEMOCRATS.

SO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PLAYERS ON A BUDGET NEGOTIATION, AND IT WILL BE THE HOUSE'S TURN TO DECIDE, CAN THEY ACCEPT THIS, DO THEY WANT TO GET SOME CHANGES IN THERE?

THE SENATE -- SENATE APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRMAN JOHN KAVANAUGH IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T THAT MANY CHANGES.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

THEY GOTTA GET THIS THING DONE BY THE END OF MONDAY.

>> I WAS GONNA SAY, CLOCK IS TICKING, AND WE ALSO NEED THREE DAYS FOR THESE BILLS, DO WE NOT OR DO YOU?

>> OH, NO.

TECHNICALLY YOU DO.

I MEAN, BY TRADITION AND BY STATUTE, THAT'S HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE, THREE DAYS TO MOVE A BUDGET BILL THROUGH THE FINAL PROCESS, BUT JUST THIS MORNING, THE SENATE WAIVED THE THREE-DAY RULE, AND IN THE COURSE OF, I DON'T KNOW, A HALF-HOUR, APPROVED NOT ONE, BUT TWO BUDGET PACKAGES.

THESE WERE THE HOUSE BUDGETS.

THEY SENT THEM THEN BACK TO THE HOUSE, WHICH QUICKLY SENT THEM UP TO HOBBS, WHERE HER VETO WAS AWAITING.

AND THIS WAS DONE BECAUSE THEY SORT OF HAVE TO GET THAT RESOLVED, THE ISSUE WITH THE HOUSE BUDGET RESOLVED AND SHOW THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS YOUR PLANS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, SO GET IN LINE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SENATE BUDGET, AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THEY WILL DO THE FIRST READ ON THAT TODAY.

THEY COULD DO THE SECOND DAY.

TOMORROW, THEY COULD DO THE THIRD DAY ON FRIDAY.

I WILL NOTE THAT FRIDAY STARTS JUST AFTER IT TURNS MIDNIGHT ON THURSDAY.

SO YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER LATE NATE.

>> OH, MY GOODNESS.

ALL RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT UP WITH THIS, I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE HOUSE BUDGETS, WHICH AS YOU MENTIONED, ARE NOW CAME PUT, THEY'RE ADIOS, AND THE SENATE BUDGET WHICH STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE THE MAIN ONE.

WAS THERE THAT, DIFFERENCE.

>> WELL, NO, THERE WERE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES.

THEY ALL LOVE ROAD PROJECTS.

A LOT OF THAT WAS IN BASICALLY BOTH BUGS.

BUT THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE -- BASIC BEE BOTH BUDGETS.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE LEGISLATURE ARE REPUBLICANS.

SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN THAT'S IN THE SENATE BUDGET ARE THINGS THAT LEAN MORE TOWARDS WHAT THE GOVERNOR FAVORS, SUCH AS MONEY FOR CHILDCARE, TO GET RID OF THE CHILDCARE, TO REDUCE THE CHILDCARE WAIT LIST, PAY RAISES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS, WHICH WAS NOT IN TO SO-CALLED SKINNY BUDGET, NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING WAS IN THERE THAT WAS NEW.

>> AND THE IDEA AGAIN WITH THE SKINNY BUDGET WAS LET'S JUST GET SOMETHING DONE TO KEEP GOVERNMENT OPERATING WHILE WE STILL DEBATE AND FIGURE OUT A FULL BUDGET.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND THAT IS ADIOS.

THE SENATE BILL IS THE ONLY THING STANDING.

HOW IS THE HOUSE -- I MEAN, THE SPEAKER CAME OUT TODAY AND SAID THE HOUSE HAS DONE ITS JOB TWICE AND, YOU KNOW, OKAY, GREAT.

BUT YOU'RE BACK TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN EARLIER.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE DONE THEIR JOB.

BUT THEY'VE MADE THEIR STATEMENT, THEY'VE MADE IN VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT A MORE CONSERVATIVE BUDGET, THE $17.3 BILLION PLAN THAT THEY APPROVED ON FRIDAY THE 13th, WHICH IS NOW KAPUT.

SO THEY'VE MADE THAT POINT.

BUT YOU CAN'T GET A BUDGET WITHOUT -- YOU NEED THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE TO APPROVE IT.

AND YOU NEED THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN IT.

SO THAT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.

>> WHO ARE THE MAJOR PLAYERS IN THIS?

>> WELL, I THINK ON THE HOUSE, SPEAKER MONTENEGRO, DAVID LIVINGSTON, WHO AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY WAS SAYING THIS SKINNY BUDGET IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO PASS, IT'S THE ONLY THING WILL EVER WORK.

WELL ARE WE'LL SEE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FACTOR ANYMORE.

ON THE SENATE SIDE, JOHN KAVANAUGH HAS BEEN THE LEAD NEGOTIATOR, I BELIEVE, WITH SENATE STAFF AND INPUT FROM SENATE PRESIDENT PETERSON AND REALLY AT THE TOP, TOP LEVEL IT'S HOBBS, MONTENEGRO AND WARREN PETERSON.

>> I THOUGHT WARREN PETERSON CAME OUT PRETTY STRONG AGAINST THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS.

>> NOT JUST THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS.

BUT I THINK SOME FACTIONS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND HE GAVE THIS SPEECH WHERE HE SAID, LOOK, WE KNOW IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET A BUDGET PASSED WITH ONLY REPUBLICAN VOTES BUT THAT'S NOT OUR REALITY.

WE HAVE DIVIDE GOVERNMENT.

YOU'VE GOTTA COMPROMISE, AND WHAT TAKES CORONAL LEADERSHIP AND COMPETENCE IS TO FASHION A BIPARTISAN BUDGET SO WE CAN GET A MAJORITY ON BOARD.

NOT EVERYBODY WILL LOVE EVERYTHING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HATE EVERYTHING.

>> YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS -- YOU'RE SAYING TO OTHER REPUBLICANS, IN THE SENATE AND OUTSIDE -- >> YES, THERE WERE REFERENCES TO TROLL FARMS AND "CHAT" BOX AND SOME OF THE OUTSIDE PRESSURES, AND IT'S WORTH NOTING, WHO RUNS A TROLL FARM.

SENATOR J KAUFMAN FAMOUSLY HAS MADE A LOT OF MONEY RUNNING TROLL FARMS IN THE PAST, AND HE HAS BEEN A VERY FOCAL CRITIC OF THE SENATE PLAN, A VERY LOUD VOICE.

>> GOTTA GET IT DONE BY EARLY NEXT WEEK.

DOES IT SEEM LIKE IT'S ON TRACK NOW?

>> I HATE TO PREDICT BECAUSE HERE WE ARE, IT'S LATE JUNE AND STILL DOING THIS.

BUT IT DOES APPEAR TO BE -- UNLESS SOME NEW MAGICAL BUDGET, YOU KNOW, RISES OUT OF THE ETHER AND CAN MOVE QUICKLY, BUT TIME DOES BECOME OF THE ESSENCE, AND YOU'VE GOTTA FACTOR IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 90 LAWMAKERS.

A LOT OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY EMBARKING ON OTHER PLANS LIKE IN THEIR DAY TO DAY LIFE.

VACATIONS, YOU KNOW, WEDDINGS, YOU KNOW, REUNIONS, ET CETERA.

SO A QUESTION OF HOW MANY BODIES WILL THEY HAVE.

>> INTERESTING.

MARY, ARIZONA PUBLIC, AZVALLEYCENTRAL.COM ALWAYS GOOD HAVE YOU.

THANKS.

>> IT'S SUMMER AND THAT MEANS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT'S TIME FOR BLOCKBUSTER FILMS AND BINGE- WATCHING TV SHOWS.

TO DISCUSS WHAT'S COMING TO THEATERS AND STREAMING SERVICES THIS SEASON... WE WELCOME BILL GOODYKOONTZ MEDIA COLUMNIST AT THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> IS THERE STILL A SUMMER MOVIE SEASON?

>> NOT LIKE THERE USED TO BE.

IT USED TO BE THE BIG 10 POLL MOVIES AND THERE'S A FANTASTIC HORROR MOVIE COMING OUT NEXT MONTH AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT USED TO -- TWO THINGS, THE PANDEMIC AND ALL OF THE STRIKES KIND OF REALLY ALMOST SOUNDED THE DEATH BELL FOR MOVIES AND THEATERS.

PEOPLE GOT INTO WATCHING AT HOME.

BUT IT'S STARTING TO COME BACK, BUT THERE USED TO BE REAL SEASONS TO IT.

UP UNTIL THE OSCARS, THAT WAS WHEN THEY DUMPED WHATEVER THEY PAID FOR BUT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT, AND IN THE SUMMER, THERE'S A BIG ENTERTAINING BLOCKBUSTER, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THEN WHEN THE FILM FESTIVALS OCCUR, AND THAT'S WHEN THE OSCAR BAIT STARTS COMING IN, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE -- OSCAR VOTERS HAVE SHORT MEMORIES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

DOESN'T REALLY HOLD ANYMORE QUITE AS TIGHTLY AS IT USE TO.

>> LET'S GET TO SOME OF THESE FILMS COMING UP.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NATURE OF SUMMER FILMS.

THE MATERIALISTS, WHAT IS THE MATERIALIST?

WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> IT'S NOT A SUMMER FILM IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF.

THE NEW FILM FROM SELL LIEN SONG, WHO WROTE PAST LIVES, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST MOVIE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

IT'S TEMPTING TO SAY IT'S A ROMANTIC COMEDY.

LOOKS LIKE A ROMANTIC COMEDY BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT, IT'S ABOUT LONELINESS AND IT'S ABOUT THE DANGER OF RELATIONSHIPS AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

SOME OF THAT SOUNDS CLICHÉ, MAYBE IT IS.

BUT IT'S FANTASTIC WRITING AND DIRECT.

>> FROM WHAT I READ, SHE FALLS FOR A WEALTHY GUY.

SO IS THIS JUST A BUNCH OF WEALTHY PEOPLE?

>> SHE'S NOT TOO WEALTHY.

>> BUT SHE FALLS FOR ONE.

>> YES.

BUT THEN CHRIS EVANS IS A POOR ACTOR, WHO SHE USED TO BE WITH.

SO IT'S KIND OF A LOVE TRIANGLE, TOO.

>> WHAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMMERCIALS FOR IS F1, THE BRAD PITT STANDING BY A CAR LOOKING LIKE BRAD PITT STANDING BY A CAR.

>> EXCEPT HE'S -- IT'S SORT OF LIKE AN F1 RACE WITH THE MOVIE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

SAME DIRECTOR AS TOP GUN MAVERICK.

HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES THE OLD GUY SHOWING THE YOUNG GUY HOW IT'S DONE.

BRAD PITT, I WILL SAY FOR MUCH OF THE MOVIE HE'S SORT OF DOWN AND OUT AND HARD OF LUCK AND THEN HE TAKES OFF HIS SHIRT AND DOES PULL-UPS AND LOOKS LIKE BRAD PITT DOING PULL-UPS.

IN THE CAR FOOTAGE, FANTASTIC.

>> OKAY, COOL.

>> I LIKED IT.

>> SOUNDS LIKE HE LEARNED TO DRIVE F1, TOO.

>> I DON'T SEE HOW THEY DON'T DIE EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GET IN THE CAR.

>> YEAH.

>> IT'S AMAZING.

>> ALL RIGHT, SOMETHING ELSE CALLED THE MOUNTAINHEADS.

THIS IS HBO NOW, RIGHT?

>> THIS IS NETFLIX.

>> WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> STEVE CARELL, RIGHT?

>> YES.

IT IS THE SAME GUY WHO MADE THIS JESSE ARMSTRONG, HE MADE SUCCESSION, AND -- WHICH WAS OF COURSE A COMMENTARY ON LEAD STAGE CAPITALISM.

THIS IS THREE OF THE FOUR RICHEST GUYS IN THE WORLD.

THEY'RE HAVING A RETREAT WHERE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF BEING RICH TECH BRO TYPES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WORLD STARTS TO COLLAPSE BECAUSE OF AN APP THAT ONE OF THEM MADE.

AI IS SO CONVINCING THAT IT CAN'T -- FAILURE CAN'T BE DETECTED AND SO WAR STARTS, COUNTRIES COLLAPSE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY OFF OF THAT.

>> SO MORE RICH PEOPLE STORIES.

ALL RIGHT, AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE -- >> IS SUMMER A GOOD TV SEASON TOO?

>> I THINK SO.

IT DIDN'T USED TO BE.

THAT'S WHEN -- WE WERE YOUNGER, IT WAS JUST ALL RERUNS.

AND NOW YOU FIND STREAMING AND WITH CABLE COMPANIES AND STUFF, THEY'VE FOUND WHY SHOULD WE STOP.

THERE'S NO REAL SEASON AS SUCH ANYMORE.

PEOPLE DON'T WATCH TV THAT WAY ANYMORE.

LET'S GIVE THEM SOMETHING YEAR ROUND.

>> THE BEAR SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BIG.

IS HE A RICH SHEP OR JUST A SHEP.

>> HE COULD HAVE BEEN RICH AND EMOTIONALLY POOR.

IT IS A GREAT SHOW.

THE FOURTH AND PROBABLY FINAL SEASON STARTS TONIGHT, THIS AFTERNOON AT 5:00.

THE FIRST SEASON WAS GREAT.

THE SECOND SEASON I THOUGHT WAS MAYBE THE BEST -- ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT'S BEEN ON TV SINCE THE SOPRANOS WENT OFF THE AIR.

THIRD SEASON, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

FOURTH SEASON I CAN'T REALLY SAY BECAUSE THE REVIEW EMBARGO HASN'T LIFTED BUT I WILL SAY IT'S WORTH WATCHING.

IT'S ALWAYS WORTH WATCHING, IT'S WON 21 EMMY'S.

IT'S REALLY GOOD.

>> WE'RE GONNA LEAVE WITH THIS ONE, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE THINGS WE'VE COVERED THIS IS THE ONE THING I RECOGNIZE.

KING OF THE HILL IS COMING BACK.

>> IT'S COMING BACK.

OUR MUTUAL GREAT GOOD FRIEND DAVE WALKER WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO REALLY CHAMPION THIS SHOW.

IT'S GREAT.

I MEAN, PEOPLE -- YOU KNOW, THE SIMPSON'S WHICH I THINK IS THE GREATEST SHOW OF ALL TIME AND CERTAINLY THE BEST ANIMATED SHOW OF ALL TIME, I LOVE BOB'S BURGERS.

I THINK KING OF THE HILL GOT KIND OF LOST IN THE SHUFFLE, BUT THEY'RE COMING BACK IN REAL-TIME.

THEY'VE ALL AGED THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT SINCE THE SHOW WAS OFF THE AIR.

>> OH, REALLY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK THE SAME?

>> RIGHT.

AND HANK HAS BEEN TAKEN A JOB IN ABU DHABI, AND HE'S BACK.

>> I LOVE THAT.

STANDING IN THE ALLEY TALKING.

>> AND IF YOU WATCHED THE TRAILER, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT THEY'VE LET OUT ABOUT THE SHOW OTHER THAN IN THE TRAILERS, YOU CAN TELL THEY'RE AGING.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE DIDN'T GET TO WEDNESDAY, SHE FINALLY GETS THE SPOTLIGHT AFTER ALL OF THE YEARS IN THE ADAM'S FAMILY.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, BILL.

>> THANK YOU, NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> SQUID-SOUP IS RETURNING TO THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART WITH ANOTHER IMMERSIVE AND AMBIENT EXHIBIT.

SQUID SOUP'S WORK HAS BEEN SEEN BY MILLIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE IN GALLERIES, MUSEUMS, AND FESTIVALS.

JOINING US NOW IS LIAM BIRTLES, HE'S A MEMBER OF SQUID SOUP... AND JULIE GANAS, A CURATOR OF ENGAGEMENT AND DIGITAL INITIATIVES FOR THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART.

GOOD HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

LIAM, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A MEMBER OF SQUID SOUP.

WHAT IS SQUID SOUP?

>> SQUID SOUP IS KIND OF A LOOSE COLLECTION OF CREATIVES, ARTISTS WHO WERE FOUNDED BY ANTHONY ROE AND WE STARTED AN AGENCY IN ABOUT THE LATE '90s, AND WE MAKE VERY LARGE-SCALE INTERACTIVE ART.

>> WHEN YOU SAY COLLABORATIVE, DO PEOPLE COME AND PEOPLE GO?

>> YEAH.

THE MEMBERS OF THE GROUP EVOLVE OVER TIME.

>> AND JULIE, WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO SEE SQUID SOUP?

>> IT'S AN EXPERIENCE, I THINK.

IT'S IMMERSIVE, SO THAT WHEN YOU WALK IN, YOU'RE KIND OF TRANSPORTED.

IT'S -- IT CREATES AN AMBIANCE THAT THE AUDIENCE CAN EXPERIENCE A UNIQUE KIND OF AUDIO-VISUAL.

>> IN THIS CASE, THE WORK OH ALMOST LIKE WALKING INTO -- KIND OF LIKE WALKING THROUGH AN ORCHESTRA.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS IN A VERY LARGE GALLERY SPACE, THERE ARE ABOUT 400 LIGHT AND SOUND UNITS ALL WORKING TOGETHER.

WE'VE GOT SOME BEAUTIFUL NEWS, SOUND RECORDINGS FROM A MUSICIAN HERE, FROM THE CALENDAR, BEAUTIFUL STRING SOUNDS.

ALL OF THESE STRING SOUNDS PLAY ON EACH OF THESE LIGHT UNITS.

WE HAVE 400 EXHIBITS OPERATING THE SPACE AND STEP INTO THIS HUGE KIND OF SOUND.

>> DO YOU WANDER THROUGH, IS THERE A PATH?

OR DO YOU JUST GO WHEREVER YOU INSTAGRAM.

>> WELL, YOU CAN BUMP YOUR HEAD, BUT, YES, YOU CAN JUST WALK THROUGH.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY LOVE ABOUT MAKING INSTALLATION ART IS THE FACT THAT IT IS -- IT'S ART THAT YOU INTERACT WITH.

YOU WALK THROUGH, YOU GET TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE RATHER THAN IT BEING JUST A PICTURE ON THE SCREEN.

THIS IS SO YOU CAN BE THAT.

>> IS THIS A CHALLENGE?

IT'S OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT THAN THE AVERAGE PAINTING ON THE WALL?

>> YEAH.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING INVOLVED.

SO WE DO PLANNING USUALLY YEARS IN ADVANCE.

WE HAD A LITTLE BIT LESS TIME WITH THIS.

BUT WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

WE WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE AT THE MUSEUM AND THEY'RE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRUST, AND IT'S VERY COLLABORATIVE.

BUT, YEAH, WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT TEAM AT MUSEUM, AND WE, YOU KNOW PART OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, CONVERTING FROM MET RICKS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER LITTLE HICCUPS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LENGTHS OF THINGS.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED.

WHEN THERE'S TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED, THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW -- THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG THAT YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM TOGETHER TO PROBLEM SOLVE.

>> AND YOU'RE USED TO THAT KIND OF THING BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SHOWING ALL OVER THE WORLD IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT SPACES.

>> AND OFTEN OUTSIDE.

WE'VE WORKED IN MINUS 15 OUTSIDE IN THE SNOW, AND THEN THE HOTTEST WAS PROBABLY BURNING MAN.

WE SHOWED WORK AT BURNING MARK WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY LIKE SHOWING WORK IN A GRAVEL PIT.

IT'S JUST -- JUST GETS EVERYWHERE.

>> SO IT'S IMMERSIVE, IT'S AM BEE EQUITY.

WE'RE SEEING THESE THINGS.

YOU'RE WANDERING AROUND.

IS OF THE GOAL TO MOVE?

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IN THESE SPACES IS PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOOK AT EACH OTHER AGAIN, IT BECOMES ABOUT SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS, IT BECOMES ABOUT YOU IN THE SPACE BEING TOGETHER, FEELING THE SPACE, AND JUST -- IT'S JUST THINKING, ABSORBING, REFLECTING ON YOU.

IT'S NOT ABOUT GIVING YOU A MESSAGE OR A SPECIFIC MEANING.

IT'S BOTH.

>> PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH SQUID SOUP, THE REACTION OF PEOPLE THAT 20 TO SEE THESE EXHIBITS.

WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD?

>> WELL, IT'S -- I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THINGS THAT ARE IMMERSIVE, ART THAT'S IMMERSIVE, IT'S A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE.

AGAIN, IT'S ART THAT YOU CAN TOUCH AND YOU CAN BE SURROUNDED BY IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND WITH AUDIENCES TODAY, WITH TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE SO USED TO HAVING TECHNOLOGY NEAR US THAT IT'S FAMILIAR, BUT IT'S -- THE EXPERIENCE I THINK PEOPLE ARE KIND OF WANTING MORE OF AND YEARNING FOR, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT.

>> AND FRIDAY YOU'VE GOT LIKE SOME SORT OF SPECIAL DEAL NOW?

>> YEAH, WE HAVE A SPECIAL CELEBRATION.

IT'S THE FIRST LOOK OF THE EXHIBITION BEFORE IT OPENS ON SATURDAY.

FRIDAY EVENING WE HAVE THIS SUMMER CELEBRATION FROM 6:00 TO 8:00 P.M., IT'S FREE.

WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE A LIVE PERFORMANCE WITH LUNAR CALENDAR, WHO RECORDED THIS.

>> REALLY COOL.

>> SO IT WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT KIND OF MOMENT FOR THE ARTWORK TO KIND OF CULMINATE LOCALLY.

>> I GOTTA ASK YOU, YOU SAID LATE 90s, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE?

>> YEAH, VERY LATE 90.

>> A LOT HAS HAPPENED TECHNOLOGICALLY SINCE THEN.

HOW HAS SQUID SOUP MANAGED TO NAVIGATE THOSE WATERS, IF WILL YOU?

>> DESPERATION, NEED, THE DESIRE TO CHANGE.

I THINK ARTISTS OFTEN GET LOST IN TECHNOLOGY TRYING TO FIX PROBLEMS.

WE JUST FOCUS ON MAKING THE ARTWORK WE WANT TO MAKE, AND THE TECHNOLOGY FOLLOWS.

THERE WAS A POINT AT WHICH IN THE U.K. AN ENGINEER SAID TO ME YOU'VE GOT THE BIGGEST WI-FI ROLL-OUT, THE BIGGEST IOT IN THE COUNTRY.

AND WE WERE PUTTING OUR ARTWORK IN THE KEW GARDENS, AND THEY WENT, OH, WE DON'T THINK TOO HARD WITH IT, WE JUST GO AND DO IT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S THE BEST PART.

WHERE CAN PEOPLE LEARN MORE ABOUT IT?

>> IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION RIGHT THERE.

IT'S CALLED INFINITE.

>> GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

BEST OF LUCK ON THE EXHIBIT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.